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[Official Thread] Flickr photo page beta

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Matthew Almon Roth bilang:

Hi all,
We’re grateful for all the recent feedback we’ve received about the Flickr photo page (what many refer to as the New Photo Experience or NPE). When we took the photo page out of beta in March and released it to everyone using Flickr in English, we imagined it as the first step in continued changes to the page.

Because of the feedback from you, we're moving the photo page in a direction that more closely resembles previous iterations of the product, but with contemporary design and the new framework that delivers photos so much faster than before.

These are the most important issues we have fixed from your feedback:
*Moving too much information to the right rail on the side of the photo.
*The narrow space for comments on photos that have lots of comments makes it hard to scroll and read them.
*The white text on black background makes it hard to read.

Today, a small percentage of Flickr members will be randomly opted-in to the new experience and we will measure the impact of the changes. If you are part of the beta test, we look forward to getting your feedback on the Flickr Ideas forum linked at the bottom of the beta photo page.

Once we’ve measured the impact and assuming it is positive, we’ll begin increasing the size of the random sample of Flickr members who experience the photo page changes. We’ll look forward to your feedback as that happens.

We're happy to share a design mock, but please understand this is only an image and that you won't get a sense of the functionality if you are not opted into the beta.



thanks,
Matthew Roth
Flickr Community team
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Doctor Casino bilang:

An interesting thought experiment! For me, mouse-over in the vague hope of maybe getting information brings back too many sad pixel-hunting memories of late 1980s adventure games ("maybe one of these pieces of hay is actually a needle!"). it just seems conceptually backwards to me.

Bear in mind, the issue isn't just titles, but descriptions. I still think the solution is to walk back the insanity of the wall-to-wall justified spread of images, which does a disservice to the photos themselves. I don't think that needs rehashing after tens of thousands of post-5/20 comments forum worked it over, but still: the photos need white space. Give them a bunch, and then let some of it go to put one 'preview' line of text beneath ("Fishing trip in the Balkans. While we were there, an old man...."). The pre-2013 photostream was definitely not perfect but it at least had this right. If there are people who really do not want to see this information as they browse Flickr, give them a toggle to fade it out or something.
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Darren LoPrinzi bilang:

The Searcher:

I wonder if it would work better in reverse, where the title overlay was "on" on all of our images in the photostream, so we can see the comments/favs/titles at a glance as we scroll down the page. Then mouse-over hides the overlay so we can view the image.

God, no!!!!
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KingGuardian bilang:

Matthew Almon Roth:

I have to agree with the majority here. This new beta is far superior to what we were left with after the major changes last year. I was very pleasantly surprised when I opened my browser and saw the changes a few days ago.
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lisa003 bilang:

I actually liked the sidebar, because you could see the photo, and information about the photo, at the same time. Now you have to scroll up and down constantly. :(

Also, where are the...darn, now I forget what they're called...when you hover over a picture and see labels right on the picture? You could put a box around part of the photo and type in a comment about it. I'm sorry I can't remember the official term for that, but they seem to be gone?

(That's probably been addressed somewhere - sorry - but I only just now found this and I cannot read 20 pages of comments...)
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lisa003 bilang:

Brenda Anderson:

Now it seems that many people who screamed how horrible the post-May 2013 page was are greeting Fred with open arms. And they are drowning out the other people who also didn't like the post-May 2013 and were quite relieved when the NPE was launched, because, although not perfect, it addressed the main complaint about lack of info above the fold.

Just saw Brenda's comment, and I agree with everything she's saying. I hated the post 5/20/13 layout, had some hope when the sidebar was introduced - and now I'm back to Flickr-despair all over again.
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Susanna Siu bilang:

Flickr is back!!! Thanks for the revisions on layout and other stuff!!! I am happy!!!!
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lisa003 bilang:

I do like the "Edit" button on my main Photostream page, though. With one click I can get rid of endless scroll, and see my photostream with white space around the pictures.
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Tatters ❀ bilang:

lisa003:

You could put a box around part of the photo and type in a comment about it.

- it is add NOTE option, what is completely gone now.And, yes, there are lots of feedbacks and HF topics about it.
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Joe Cashin Photography bilang:

I notice when I am naming places, for example Kilkenny the spelling comes uP under the pictures as KILKENNY. It has 2 letter L instead of I(eye) it seems there is no small letter for the i (eye)
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eτi bilang:

Sorry if the issue was brought up before, I didn't read all 21 pages... but how do I get the 'date posted' on other people's pictures?
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The Searcher bilang:

eτi:

What happens when you hover the mouse over the "date taken" text?
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loupiote (Old Skool) pro bilang:

has the reta inept NPE completely disappeared at this point?

or are some unlucky souls still getting it?
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Darren LoPrinzi bilang:

Doctor Casino:

The NPE concept had the potential to resolve some long-standing issues with both pre- and post-5/20 Flickr; it's a shame that its somewhat "awkward" rollout seems to have soured so many people against any possible layout (no matter how elegantly executed) where things appear to the side of the photo.

As much as I've despised the sidebar right from the moment of deployment, I think you're spot-on with that statement, Doctor.

I was among the first of a small group of testers of the NPE Beta almost a year ago, and I opened a help topic about right away - www.flickr.com/help/forum/72157636118546856/
- as you can see by the screenshot, not much had changed from then until it was rolled out to everyone. Despite Flickr being credited by some for "listening and making the NPE better," I whole-hardheartedly disagree, Barely anything changed during that 9 month period other than adding features necessities that should have been there in the first place.

I think Flickr was so busy putting out the fires of adding in the missing features that they neglected the actual design overhaul that was badly needed.

If you read my help topic link above, you'll see that I, and others identified the #1 fundamental problem right from the get-go -- i.e. 10 pounds of poop in a 5 pound bag. However, over time it became evident that Flickr had no intention of Flickr making a sensible sidebar design at all, so therefore the conversation quickly became sidebar vs. no sidebar.


Doctor Casino:
As seier put it after 5/20:

this is terrible. design decisions apart, for me this place was about the comments and the debate, and now the comments are gone; you have to search for them, to click somewhere for them. I am feeling physically sick.

a debate like this: www.flickr.com/photos/seier/6395344017/

Funny, I would argue the opposite - that the debate shown in your link is far better served "full page" below the photo where there is enough room to see the breadth of the text. I would be far less likely to particpate in that type of discussion when I only see a couple comments squeezed into a narrow pane of white text on grey.
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Mr Ulster bilang:

Thanks for your remarks re the "Error" message that is presented to me whenever I add one of my images to a Group that has a reviewing process.

A Flickr user for several years, I don't recall the word "Error" as part of the submission process. If so, my bad. But in any case, it is a poor word to use, because it doesn't give me confidence that my images have been submitted.

Not the case of me adding any group hashtags nor resubmission process, as you offer.

In my case, the Groups that I am submitting to have a review process. A mean one at that too, very selective. So far none of my submitted images have made the cut.

But this new "Error" message is making me wonder if any of my images are actually being received by the Group Administrator.

A simple response from a Flickr Staff member would put my mind at ease.
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Oxfordshire Churches bilang:

I just downloaded this user script from:

loupiote (Old Skool) pro:

It improves the layout of the tag section in the new Fred / Zeta photo pages by moving the 'People in photo' panel to under the tags:

userstyles.org/styles/102918/flickr-zeta-better-tags-layout

it is especially useful if you often view photos that have multiple tags, and want to see the tags without doing too much vertical scrolling.

It work brilliantly for me Safari 6.1.4 on a MacBook Pro and much improves the user experience. I can't understand why Flickr didn't do it like this in the first place.

Go here if you want to see how it looks:

www.flickr.com/photos/oxfordshirechurches/14547001466/in/...


Edited to make link work.
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lisa003 bilang:

Tatters:

it is add NOTE option, what is completely gone now.And, yes, there are lots of feedbacks and HF topics about it.
Thank you. Now that I know what term to even look for, I can find some of that and read it. Despite not remembering the term, I thought it was one of Flickr's best features. (Therefore removing it should really not surprise me... :\ ) (Edited: I see that members have said that Flickr staff has said that Notes will be back "soon." I hope so.)

Re: comments in the sidebar, etc. - what (on earth) would be wrong with putting the comments below the photo where there's more room, while still putting other information next to the photo where you can actually see it, at a glance, WITH the photo, without having to scroll up and down?

Comments differ from other information in that comments can grow, so it makes sense to put them where they have space. That's not true for the rest of the information.

Plus which, I simply think that "Fred" looks top-heavy, awkward, and unpolished. It's just plain ugly, and the last thing a photo site should be is ugly. The sidebar layout was a step away from ugly, and now we're right back to it.
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Todd Klassy bilang:

lisa003:

Plus which, I simply think that "Fred" looks top-heavy, awkward, and unpolished. It's just plain ugly, and the last thing a photo site should be is ugly. The sidebar layout was a step away from ugly, and now we're right back to it.


I don't know how anyone thought the last two iterations were attractive in any way, shape, or form. They were a horrendous, cluttered mess. The current design puts the emphasis on the photo and not the data, which is the way it should be. Crisp, clean, minimalist design is a hallmark of Flickr. Has always been that way, until May 2013. Now Flickr is moving back in that direction. And I'm sorry, but many more people like this design than any previous change at Flickr. It is astonishing how many people are in favor of this recent change. Seldom does that ever happen to any change on the Internet.
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lisa003 bilang:

Todd Klassy:

Crisp, clean, minimalist design is a hallmark of Flickr. Has always been that way, until May 2013. Now Flickr is moving back in that direction. And I'm sorry, but many more people like this design than any previous change at Flickr.
What confuses me about this, as Brenda correctly diagrams here:

www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157645000450855/7215764...

is that "Fred" is much more like the May 2013 layout than it is like the recent sidebar design. People complained ferociously about the May 2013 changes.
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cocoesperanza bilang:

For Flickr Staff......
Issues with Search Feature on individual photo pages.....

www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157645061436597/
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Darren LoPrinzi bilang:

lisa003:

I suspect that the wildly positive response to Fred is actually the feeling of relief, to finally be unshackled from the NPE disaster.

Perhaps people stranded in a dessert with no food or water feel similarly when they finally find a sip of water and a cracker ;-)
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Marlis1 bilang:

lisa003:

I simply think that "Fred" looks top-heavy, awkward, and unpolished. It's just plain ugly,


is it?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder- and for a change the positive comments are more numerous that the negative ones.
For the first time since the awesome change I find Flickr fun to use again-.
I think the black NPE was an abomination- too black, hard to read and the cluttered sidebar was far from beautiful- .
I thought I needed new glasses, now I see it was just the Black Horror.
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janetfo747 Year of the Horse! bilang:

When i open a group, i can see the Top Contributors, thank you Flickr, and it has been updated.

What i do not see is 'YOU' which was right under the top contributors. When you clicked on 'you' up came only your photos. I would love to see that back. thank you!


Am very ahppy with the new look and the ease of navigation, especially the page numbers, again nice job. I would like to suggest that when a group page is opened. The page is filled with group photos. Should a visitor what something else to look at the options are already at the top. thanks for your consideration.
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Doctor Casino bilang:

Darren LoPrinzi:

Re: the NPE - couldn't agree more. This got off course early on. IMO, what was released as 'beta' was much more 'alpha' - missing so many features as to inevitably focus the discussion around what was missing, rather than the pros and cons of how it worked. How it worked needed tweaking, to be sure, but I would rather see a fully overhauled NPE than Fred, personally. I recognize that that puts me in the minority in this thread, though!

Re: text and comments: "Funny, I would argue the opposite - that the debate shown in your link is far better served "full page" below the photo where there is enough room to see the breadth of the text. I would be far less likely to particpate in that type of discussion when I only see a couple comments squeezed into a narrow pane of white text on grey. "

I couldn't agree more about a narrow pane of white text on gray - but this is confusing the issue, because this is precisely what should have been fixed with the NPE, IMHO. Make the sidebar a little wider, shrink the text one point, and by all means, go with black on white.

But more broadly, I'm not sure I agree about the likelihood of participating in a discussion. Seems like the first prerequisite of being able to participate is knowing the discussion is there. The current format makes this very unlikely, even if I was specifically cruising through that user's photo stream. One now has to be willing to obsessively load, page-down, page-up, click for the next photo and repeat. This is not as much of an issue for those who use commenting mainly to express that they particularly enjoyed a particular image - then, you're only scrolling down when you already know there's something you want down there (the comment box). That's fine for how those folks use Flickr - but it's a huuuuuge problem if the photo, with its text, is meant to be the jumping-off point for a conversation open to all.

Personally, I don't need any "Great photo!!!! Join my group!" comments, not a one, but boy, does getting into a back-and-forth about the things depicted in the photos keep me motivated to post more! I suspect this would also be the case for people who really enjoy discussing technical "behind the scenes" stuff with a photo ("Glad you asked - actually, I was struggling with the backlighting on this one! Compromised by bouncing off the..." etc. etc.).
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FlyButtafly bilang:

Marlis1:

For the first time since the awesome change I find Flickr fun to use again-.

But Fred is very much like the photo page *after* the "awesome change."
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onkel_wart (thomas lieser) bilang:

I'm too dumb: How do I see the notes on a pictures? (Crop suggestions and so on)
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ColleenM bilang:

onkel_wart (thomas lieser):

They aren't back yet.
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ceila♪♫♪ bilang:

onkel_wart (thomas lieser):

You can add notes in German or other languages except English -;) The notes are hidden behind the tags.
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Ger Bosma bilang:

onkel_wart (thomas lieser):

If you want to either add new notes or see ones that were previously added to an image, it's indeed best to change the language to Spanish/German/French etc at the bottom of any non-scrolling page, for instance www.flickr.com/activity

at least temporarily

Notes probably will be restored at some point to their former functionality. In NPE they were there, but very 'cunningly' hidden in the tag/exif/notes toggle (if I remember correctly).

Only English flickr in fact has been suffering from missing/crippled note functionality
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Anthony Beyga bilang:

I like :)
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lisa003 bilang:

Marlis1:

I think the black NPE was an abomination- too black, hard to read and the cluttered sidebar was far from beautiful

I completely agree with you about the black. But we still have the black, around the photo, which is part of what I think makes Fred look topheavy. Wouldn't we still like a white option for the photo frame?

None of the photos I've looked at so far (scrolling through Explore Recent Photos) come anywhere near to filling up the horizontal space allotted to them. That's probably not even possible on most screens - photographs just aren't shaped that way. So what we have is a huge wide black monolith with a photo in the center. Again, I think it's topheavy, awkward, and unattractive. A white background rather than black would help a lot, but (in my opinion) not completely.

I liked the sidebar idea , which is not the same as saying the sidebar was perfect. I liked having basic information about the photo visible at a glance, rather than being forced to scroll or pagedown for everything, which gets annoying. I can understand people being frustrated with comments squooshed into a sidebar if there are more than a few comments.

The location of the "fold" seems unattractive and unpolished to me. On my screen, it cuts off the bottom 1/4 of the photographer's avatar, and I see only the very tippy tops of the letters in the photo title, the top third of the copyright symbol - things like that. It looks haphazard.

To support what other people have already said, the generic camera icon in the EXIF section is weirdly huge. It sticks out like it's the most important thing on the page. I think it would look nicer if that icon was only slightly larger than the individual EXIF items' icons, similar to how a text section heading is slightly larger than body text. As it is, it's as if a headline font is being used for section headings - it's disproportionate..

I think the blank space underneath the map could be utilized in some helpful way, and the blank space underneath the "Add to album" link could be used to display a thumbnail strip of an album. (In other words, clicking on (say) an expander arrow next to an album icon could display that album's thumbnail strip, enabling users to directly navigate albums from the photo page.)

The blank spaces on the photo page seem awkward to me in general. I think there could be ways to use the empty spaces in helpful ways and without just looking like clutter. White space on a page is a good thing, but here I think it just looks unfinished.
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Todd Klassy bilang:

lisa003:

Do you know why?
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lisa003 bilang:

Todd Klassy:

Do you know why?

Do I know why, what? (Not being smart-alecky, I just don't know what you're responding to.)
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Todd Klassy bilang:

I'm going to go back to what I said before:

People who TAKE photos won't like the new layout and design. They tend to be left-brained and much more analytical. And by virtue much less creative.

People who MAKE photos like the new layout and design. They tend to be right-brained and much more creative. They prefer rhythm and flow to design. Clean and crisp. And again, both hallmarks of Flickr's past.
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onkel_wart (thomas lieser) bilang:

Ger Bosma:

ceila♪♫♪:

ColleenM:

thanks for the info!
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lisa003 bilang:

Todd Klassy: Well, I don't understand what is creative, ryhthmic, and flowing about a huge black ill-proportioned monolith with a photo in the middle. The photo looks a bit lost to me in all the black.

What would you think of this (as if it's up to us, lol): If people really like the black photo frame so much that white shouldn't even be an option, how about a black frame that doesn't extend all the way to the edges of the screen? Put a black frame around the photo itself, but in more frame-like proportions. How would that be?
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lisa003 bilang:

Todd Klassy:

More like the mock-up staff posted when they started this thread:

www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157645000450855/

The black frame there is just around the photo, not inches wide on both sides.

I still think their page mock-up looks top heavy, and I'd still prefer white to black, but it doesn't look as bad as the real photo pages I've looked at.
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lisa003 bilang:

After squinting at the mock-up, I was going to take back some of what I said about strange blank spaces - but then I found some real photo pages where the map feature is being used, the photo is in more than one album, etc. - and the mock-up still looks better than the real photo pages.

(Eeek, three comments in a row, sorry...)
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The Kingwood Project bilang:

Put in a tool to help us alphabetize sets.
Some of the third party stuff is spotty.
Just make it native.
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Dennis Cheasebro bilang:

lisa003:

An emphatic second on the on-image labels.
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Todd Klassy bilang:

lisa003:

Well, I don't understand what is creative, ryhthmic, and flowing about a huge black ill-proportioned monolith with a photo in the middle. The photo looks a bit lost to me in all the black.


I would expect that sort of reply.

I can't say I am personally a fan of the photo on a black background myself, but it is commonly held that a photograph on a black background makes it stand out more than on a white background. The contrast is supposed to make the colors in the photo stand out and make it more appealing.

You also forget there are other things in play here. For starters, the design is also supposed to play well with tablets and smart phones, where likely 2/3 to 3/4 of the traffic to Flickr now comes from. We don't have all of the facts "why," but I'm confident that has a big part in why the design is the way it is.

Finally, this is the first time I have ever seen a vast majority of users applaud a redesign. Much more often than not people complain because they like what they are accustomed to. Given that, I am certain your wishes will not be answered. And I wish I could say I'm sorry, because I'm not. I'm generally happy with the new design. I have used Flickr more in the past two weeks than I did in the past year combined.
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The Searcher bilang:

The Kingwood Project:

Put in a tool to help us alphabetize sets.

There is one already, in the Organizr. You can arrange by half a dozen different methods, including alphabetical.
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lisa003 bilang:

Todd Klassy:

the design is also supposed to play well with tablets and smart phones
Trying to use the same design for a large horizontal screen as you would for a small vertical screen is ridiculous, but I do recognize that is a much bigger issue than just Flickr.

(Thank you for not pointing out that I misspelled "rhythmic." Oops.)
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lisa003 bilang:

Todd Klassy: What's especially puzzling is that after browsing through a few of your photos (which I enjoyed), I noticed you took the time to give them titles and descriptions. Wouldn't you like people to be able to see that information without having to bop around the screen?
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Todd Klassy bilang:

lisa003:

Wouldn't you like people to be able to see that information without having to bop around the screen?


I could care less. If I don't hook the viewer with my photo then they won't care about the title or description. Besides, I frankly don't care if a person reads my title, description, or tags at all. All I care about is if the Flickr, Google, and Yahoo search bots and search engines read them. For me that's the most important thing.
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jonathan charles photo bilang:

map
I haven't been through all 21 pages of comments so far but there does not seem to be a thread on the map functionality in the new layout. I understand that the "geotag your photo" process is being re-built but even when you geotag the photo in organizer, when you clipck on the map box on the photo page you can't see it - all you see is 30 out of a few hundred photos by other people taken nearby.

I think the highest priority should be to show (at high resolution) where the photo in question was taken and second priority is nearby photos taken by the same photographer so people can look at these as well. These could be marked in different colours, e.g. blue for the one photo, green for others from that photographer a pink for all the others.

There should also be a way to order the other photos by how near they are, not just recent or "interesting".

For example I tagged a photo to Elbow Beach, Bermuda and wanted to see other photos of the beach but got all 520 photos taken anywhere in Bermuda and have to scroll through 16 pages of irrelevant photos to find the few taken there (I never did find my own photo).
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sps1955 bilang:

jonathan charles photo:

Generally speaking, I agree with your comments on this. I think the idea is that we can see where the current photo was taken by mousing over the map, but this doesn't work very well as there are no labels for places or streets on this map. The temptation is then to click on the map - and what happens then seems to me to be confusing and unhelpful.

There's a UserVoice topic on this at yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/252131-flickr-new-photo-page/s... where you might want to cast your vote(s).
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ColetteSimonds bilang:

Todd Klassy:

The black background is not always better. For images that are partly silhouettes like for example the foreground of a night sky shot (this is just an example) the black background was terrible. I definitely prefer seeing this type of image on a grey/white background.
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Marlis1 bilang:

FlyButtafly:

But Fred is very much like the photo page *after* the "awesome change."


But is it? Fred, apart from a few missing features like auto-fill for one, seems to work.
Most of the changes between May 2013 and Fred have been incomplete or borked, camouflaged as new, awesome, innovative, modern etc. blah blah...
If Fred is beta, then what did it make the NPE- omega?
That was probably part of the problem all along- people will adapt, adjust and put up with a lot, but if it is not working, or only working half the time because of bugs etc.. then you are going to loose them.
The way I see it, some people complained about the overall look of the pages, but most complained because they had issues with the missing features or bugs.
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Marlis1 bilang:

ColetteSimonds:

The black background is not always better. For images that are partly silhouettes like for example the foreground of a night sky shot (this is just an example) the black background was terrible. I definitely prefer seeing this type of image on a grey/white background.


I agree with you- we had Lightbox before and I thought that worked pretty well for all my photos, especially when I also had a script that changed deep black to grey tones.
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Marlis1 bilang:

lisa003:

Wouldn't we still like a white option for the photo frame?
Yes, I think it would be a good idea- we had Lightbox before- it worked for me.
As for most of your other points- Fred is not perfect, but for a new page it is more perfect than what we ever got these past months.
At least I can use it, it works, it has almost all the features I need (having cut back drastically on group work).
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Scarlet Pimpernel bilang:

sps1955:

I think the idea is that we can see where the current photo was taken by mousing over the map, but this doesn't work very well as there are no labels for places or streets on this map.


The little flickr animation map needs a lot of improving. I made the point earlier in this thread..

Google have a much better system of zooming in and out of the little map where it can also be toggled between Satellite and Map too.

And It would be good if flickr would do something to accommodate the growing number of 380 Panoramic photos on the net . The widescreen in itself is not enough..

Google Panoramic photo with it''s far more usable litte map ..
www.google.com/maps/views/view/110831204750359276436/gpho...


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arturogossage bilang:

Did being able to print go away entirely?
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Gerhard R. (like the brand new photo page) bilang:

I like the new photo page a lot.
Thank you that you considered the feedback for the NPE.
Great work.
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Jasperdo bilang:

jonathan charles photo:

I totally agree with your comments about the map. I've discussed this earlier on this thread. While I am very happy to see the map returned to it's pre May 2013 prominence, there are some annoying aspects to it. I really like how it zooms when you hover over the map. However, there are no place names at all, which totally defeats the purpose of a map. And when you click on the map to make it full screen, all you get is a bunch of orange dots. Where is the photo I clicked on? Most of the time it's not even on the map page. Very poorly designed. So, even though it's good to see the map function back, there are some serious problems with it that need to be addressed.
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jonathan charles photo bilang:

Jasperdo: sps1955:

Thanks, I have added my votes and a comment.
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jel 1969 bilang:

Thanks Flickr staff for listening, didn't think you would so it came as a pleasant surprise to see and use the newest version. OK, it's not perfect, but no matter what you do, it's not going to please everyone, but this is a lot better. Been using it for a few weeks now and it's becoming enjoyable again.
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jonathan charles photo bilang:

Date

Another missing feature is the "date-select" where if you click on the date you were given all the photos by that photographer taken on the seme date - with the option of choosing to move to the previous or next date.

It allowed you to follow a photographer's progress through different projects and events
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Wil C. Fry bilang:

I just noticed I can't read the whole tag.

So, not only does clicking my tag not take me to my images with that tag (it goes to *everyone's*), but I can't even read a tag longer than about 20 characters.

Example:

Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG Macro

is displayed as

Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 ...
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Wil C. Fry bilang:

Here's a screenshot:

Abbreviated Tags - Not Good
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Todd Klassy bilang:

ColetteSimonds:

The black background is not always better. For images that are partly silhouettes like for example the foreground of a night sky shot (this is just an example) the black background was terrible. I definitely prefer seeing this type of image on a grey/white background.


I didn't say it was always better. I said many believe it is the preferred background for images. And likewise, I can cite many instances when gray or white is poor option.

Don't you think Flickr/Yahoo has bigger fish to fry than the color of the background behind photos? Seriously. I can think of at least 20 other things that would warrant far greater concern.
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Jasperdo bilang:

Wil C. Fry:

There's a great little user script that was done by loupiote (Old Skool) pro. It greatly expands the Tags and places them above People in Photo. I installed it a few days ago and think it's terrific:
userstyles.org/styles/102918/flickr-zeta-better-tags-layout
EDIT: I just checked out your photo page, and your entire Sigma tag is shown.
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janetfo747 Year of the Horse! bilang:

ok am going to admit it.....i feel silly asking for help with this but...how do i edit the overview bullets on my groups page?
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Wil C. Fry bilang:

Jasperdo:

There's a great little user script that was done by loupiote (Old Skool) pro. It greatly expands the Tags and places them above People in Photo.

Thanks! That indeed works, though only for me, you, and others using the script. The majority of people who view my images will still see Flickr's poorly rendered tags.

Please, Flickr, fix this (just like the script does would be fine).
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jane_sanders bilang:

Wil C. Fry:

I posted about the issue with long tags a couple of weeks ago: www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157645000450855/7215764...

If the tag has to be truncated because of space, that's fine but it should expand to show the whole tag when you hover over it or at least show a tooltip.
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Caz 71♥ bilang:

Glad to see the Admin invites back on the front page where they can be seen, good work Flickr guys and girls, please keep this now and don't change it anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Marlis1 bilang:

Wil C. Fry:

So, not only does clicking my tag not take me to my images with that tag (it goes to *everyone's*), but I can't even read a tag longer than about 20 characters.


I found out when trying to delete a tag.
I never had this happen before, is this new? - What a nuisance!
I tried to delete a tag and I had to try several times to stay in tags- I guess you have to hit the x just right- otherwise you end up on a search page I presume?
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Brendan Ó Sé bilang:

Matthew Almon Roth:

There seems to be a problem loading the Invite to Groups or hitting G to add to groups. It either does not load or takes an age.
Can this be fixed please?
www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157645051712648/#reply7...

www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157645109876238/
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amazingstoker bilang:

Caz 71♥:

please keep this now and don't change it anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, maps and notes still need sorting out, I'm back to browsing Flickr in French to get these features functioning usefully

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kh1234567890 bilang:

amazingstoker:

No, maps and notes still need sorting out, I'm back to browsing Flickr in French to get these features functioning usefully

Judging by the number of functions 'still to be done' this particular experience is yet again being cobbled together from bits of 'gee whizz' code by one guy in his back bedroom. I doubt that a clear spec of what the page should do had ever been written.
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Nionyn_ bilang:

amazingstoker kh1234567890:

Yep.
I'm still using an older browser version that gives me the photopage before the NPE.
There's still just too much that doesn't work as it should.
They broke swathes of the site over a year ago and, unfortunately, seem intent on not fixing things but instead breaking yet more with every change.
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lucianodavidson bilang:

Don't like this new look: Liked the NPE much better. This feels like a huge step back. So much wasted space at the side of the photos.
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tnchanse bilang:

Currently I am unable to add button invites to group member photos. Also, I notice when a photo is loaded it displays the Name but not the Screen Name. Please straighten this out. People know me by my screen name as weird as it may be.

I suspect this is true with comments on photos as well. Please display screen name as default and fall back on Name if no screen name chosen by the user.

Thanks for you consideration of adding Admin ability to give button invites and screen name display preference.

tnchanse
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*L bilang:

i never liked the black background. but now the black frame around the picture makes no sense. at all. remember when we had the option on white/on black? that would make sense
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@awursterphotos bilang:

is it no longer possible to sharing photos from a desktop computer using multiple twitter accounts?
I can't seem to anymore, I hope I'm missing something
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loupiote (Old Skool) pro bilang:

Wil C. Fry:

I just noticed I can't read the whole tag.

i know. this is so annoying!

at least they should display the entire tag when hovering.

note that my little user-style alleviates the problem:

www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157645000450855/7215764...
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Marlis1 bilang:

Jasperdo:

There's a great little user script that was done by loupiote (Old Skool) pro. It greatly expands the Tags and places them above People in Photo. I installed it a few days ago and think it's terrific:

userstyles.org/styles/102918/flickr-zeta-better-tags-layout

Thanks for the link- what a terrific script.
Many thanks Loupiote, the knight in shining armor coming to the rescue again. Looks sooo much better.
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loupiote (Old Skool) pro bilang:

Marlis1:

Thanks for the link- what a terrific script.

thanks! actually it's just a few lines of CSS :)

but i hope someone will consider that they are worth offering me a beer!
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Marlis1 bilang:

loupiote (Old Skool) pro:

but i hope someone will consider that they are worth offering me a beer!

A few beers at least:-) , your scripts are terrific and a great help.
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loupiote (Old Skool) pro bilang:

Marlis1:

thanks!!!

indeed, with the donation you just sent me, i'll be able to buy a few beers or maybe something else on my wish-list. thanks again for your appreciation! and I hope you get all the good Karma you deserve.
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Marlis1 bilang:

loupiote (Old Skool) pro:

Thank you.
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Matthew Almon Roth bilang:

loupiote (Old Skool) pro:

has the reta inept NPE completely disappeared at this point?

Yes, Fred is at 100%
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brendan ó sé bilang:

Matthew Almon Roth:

Hi Matthew,
Second time asking - two threads on this - any chance of an update?

There seems to be a problem loading the Invite to Groups or hitting G to add to groups. It either does not load or takes an age.
Can this be fixed please?
www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157645051712648/#reply7...

www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157645109876238/
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Brenda Anderson bilang:

Matthew Almon Roth:

Fred is at 100%

Can you clarify? Do you mean for up to date browsers on a non-mobile device running Flickr using the English language?

I still get pre-NPE on mobile Safari and if I switched my laptop to use a non-English language. Are there plans to switch those over any time?
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puri.robin bilang:

;;;
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glhs279 bilang:

Im sure this is covered somewhere in the previous 21 pages, but I do not like users having the option to download my pics (yes, i know they can still copy and steal them, but would prefer not make it this easy). Is there a way to turn this function off? Plz reply to me privately if you have a response. Thanks all.
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Brenda Anderson bilang:

glhs279:

You've already turned off downloading. I see "the user has disabled downloading" when I go to your All Sizes page via the icon.
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Paul B Jones bilang:

Just back from foreign travels. The new page looks fantastic. Big thanks to flickr staff and everyone who made suggestions for improvement.
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loupiote (Old Skool) pro bilang:

Matthew Almon Roth:

Yes, Fred is at 100%

good, thanks!

now i have another question for staff:

could you tell us how to detect a "page load" of a flickr page with Grease-Monkey scripts, so that we could run a script when flickr navigation loads a new page?

the issue is that flickr now navigates between pages without actually loading new pages, but rather they use javascript to reload the page DOM content, a technique apparently called "rapid" or "rapid loading". presumably this is faster (although normally all js scripts should be cached locally, so i am not sure if the page-load speed gain is significant).

the problem is that, because new pages are not actually loaded normally (e.g. when clicking on a thumbnail in a search-result page), no new page is actually loaded, which means that GM scripts will NOT trigger e.g. with
// @run-at document-start

(unless the page is subsequently manually reloaded with "refresh / reload" by the user)

if there is a way to install a callback or catch some event at some level, then we could work around the issue and still have some GM script code be executed when a new page is loaded (even if not all the DOM elements are loaded yet, but this can be dealt with using DOM mutation observers).

i spent quite a bit of time trying to reverse-engineer the rapid-loading code, but so far, unsuccessfully. so a bit of help would be appreciated.

as you know, GM scripts are very useful to customize / extend / add functionalities to flickr.
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loupiote (Old Skool) pro bilang:

Brenda Anderson:

I still get pre-NPE on mobile Safari and if I switched my laptop to use a non-English language. Are there plans to switch those over any time?


yes, pre-NPE pages are still served in cases where Fred/Zeta pages are not translated, or in cases where the browser does not support Fred/Zeta.
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Brenda Anderson bilang:

loupiote (Old Skool) pro:

Yes, I know that. My question to staff was when/if they would be switched over... 100% =/= 100% if half the people out there aren't using it yet. :)
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loupiote (Old Skool) pro bilang:

Brenda Anderson:

Yes, I know that. My question to staff was when/if they would be switched over... 100% =/= 100% if half the people out there aren't using it yet. :)

i don't think that can do that 100% switch as long as they want to support some older browsers.

but for translated / localized versions. i think they will do the switch as soon as they get the full translations.
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mikkashar bilang:

Following up on my earlier comment, more than two weeks later the beta page is more or less functional for me. I hope that, at least, is stable.

So, some actual feedback with what I've manged to play with so far:

-- Thank you for removing the yahoo bar.

-- Camera information takes up a huge chunk of vertical space shortly below the photo and is of little interest to me. I'd like to be able to hide it or have it futher down on the page.

-- Long tags are not displayed in full.

-- Tags jump around (line breaks change) as one mouses over them and the "x" to remove a tag disappears.

-- Tags link to a search for anyone's photos with that tag, rather than giving a choice between that and just this photographer's photos with that tag. I'm generally much more interested in the latter, and would like the choice.

-- It would be nice to have on white/light and on dark/black options as was the case with the photo page and lightbox before.

-- The expanded neighboring photo icons overlap the bottom of the photo. I find this unaesthetic.

-- I don't care for the round icons.

-- I find having my username directly above the photo title in a larger lettering a bit odd, and would rather have the photo-specific information (title, text) directly under the photo. Maybe icon and username to the left of the photo title?
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Jamie Kitson bilang:

The min width of the page is too wide. I have my screen portrait so my screen width is only 1050 pixels and I have to scroll across to change the privacy of a photo for example.
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Anna_Soffia bilang:

Horray!

Found your improvements today, after weeks of sheltering myself from Flickr and trying out other photowebs.

Now I will start using Flickr again and try your improvements out

This made me very happy
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tv writer bilang:

In addition to the issues above regarding not being able to read the entire tag, I also am having trouble adding a tag with quote marks. (so that I can have more than one word in the tag)
No matter how I do it, it just says invalid tag.
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Preston Digital Archive bilang:

Generally I do like the recent changes away from the previous sidebar version, however, The font used on the NPE page presents differently and is not consistent with other Flickr pages.
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loupiote (Old Skool) pro bilang:

tv writer:

In addition to the issues above regarding not being able to read the entire tag, I also am having trouble adding a tag with quote marks. (so that I can have more than one word in the tag)
No matter how I do it, it just says invalid tag.

i have no problems with that.

you must use double-quotes and separate the tags with spaces.

like:

"aaa bbb" ccc "ddd eee"
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Tommy Bass bilang:

Vertical shots are too small on this latest design. That's one thing I don't like about the newest layout and the post-May 2013 layout. The immediate predecessor to this very latest layout rendered vertical shots really nice, even though Flickr users despised that layout. Oh, well, guess I'll just shoot landscape going forward.
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Jamie Kitson bilang:

Not sure if this is actually different, but on the lightbox page there is no point on the page where I can place the cursor so that I only see the photograph and no chrome. If I place the cursor at the top I see the shading, my name and the two diagonal arrows to leave lightbox mode. If I place the cursor lower down I see the two next/previous arrows and my browser shows me the location these two links would take me to at the bottom.

Firefox 31, Linux.

Edit: Note that the above applies when the browser is full screen. If it's not full screen I can place the cursor over the browser chrome.
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Jamie Kitson bilang:

Tommy Bass:

> Vertical shots are too small on this latest design.

I agree, I preferred the information to the right of the photo too, it used wide screens sensibly.
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